Because freedom can't protect itself
The ACLU should look into the military justice system - The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). It is full of legal violations and conflict of interest. For example, in the military rating and evaluation scheme (used for promotion) a judge is rated by the Commanding General. A jury of your peers (officers on a jury for an accused officer, senior enlisted for enlisted accused) are also rated or senior rated by the Commanding General. Therefore, if the General dislikes the accused there is due influence on those rated by the General to convict the accused. This is a major conflict of interest. Perhaps it is the reason that the UCMJ has one of the highest conviction rates in the nation. Rules of evidence are also much more lenient, leading to dubious convictions on scant evidence.
Please look into fighting the UCMJ.
It's good to hear about soldiers who still have ethics but every war has it's share of atrocities on both sides and the pro torture policies of the Bush and Obama regimes as well as the lowering of standards in recruitment will inflict a lot of pain until this insane war of revenge ends.
While I agree with most of your points, I take issue with the statement "jury-rigged". By your own admission you found military officers to be commited to freedom and due process. Do you really believe if told they couldn't use certain information they wouldn't be able to make a descision without that information. I doubt you would find as many capable jurors in the public sector.
Simply: THE MEANS AND ENDS ARE ONE. Understanding this is the key to justice.
I was pleased to read the words of our military leaders against inhumane treatment of prisoners. I had planned to enter my own comments about our need to follow "The Golden Rule," even if our enemies do not, but Gen. Petraeus has covered my position adequately: "Our values and the laws governing warfare teach us to respect human dignity, maintain our integrity, and do what is right."
We should not lower our selves to barbaric behavior, but set the example in the world in respecting human dignity. However, let's move forward and not spend money on prosecuting what has been done.
We should not lower ourselves to barbaric behavior, but set the example in the world in respecting human dignity. However, let's move forward and not spend money on prosecuting what has been done.
I salute the military leaders, particularly in the JAG Corps, who have stood up for the Constitution with such integrity. It is good to hear that they take so seriously their oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." As a veteran friend of mine once told me, "My oath is to protect the Constitution, not some politician."
I agree Gitmo should close. We should hang everyone in the prison. They want kill us all.
Wow, so these are the people my friends and I have died and bleed to defend. UCMJ works just fine and if you where in the military you would know that, but your not, your an outsider looking in on something you can't understand because you've never sat in a courtmartial hearing. Next, soldiers do what they are told, and the ethics you say we don't have or only some have soldiers have is B/S, read what the army core values are and then ask your self if you even come close to living up to them, I bet you fall short! Now tell me, if your best friend was shot and killed right in your arms, would you not want justice, would you not want everything possible done to make that person pay for what they did. What if it was your best friend who was captured by terriorists and you had 24 hours to find him before they cut his head off and showed it on TV. Wouldn't you do everything possible to save that person? Barbaric behavoir huh, what is barbaric behavoir? Chopping somebodys head off? Torture? How about this, shooting somebody with a gun? What about hitting somebody with a fist or using martial arts forms? If you haven't noticed yet, the entire world is a barbaric place full of all of these things, the best thing I can quote you is "WAR IS HELL"! You all talk about attrocities, so flying a airplane into the world trade center doesn't count huh. But torturing somebody to get time sensitve info that could save a soldiers life is not worth it? I go back to if it was your friend, your son, your daughter, how far would you be willing to go to save them. If your answer is not "whatever it takes" I would hate to have you watching my back or as my mother or father. Have any of you ever heard the saying "Know your enemy?" Well I know my enemy very well, I have studied my enemy, I have studied their culture, their history, their religion, I have studied the difference between the Suni and the Shi'ite, I have studied the taliban. Do any of you know that we backed Sadam Hussain against Iran, we put him in power. We backed the taliban against the russians? Did any of you know that? Do any of you know that terriorists don't play by the rule of war? Have any of you seen the video's of soldiers even a reporter having their head chopped off by terriorists? God have mercy on your souls and I hope I never meet you!
Every person we captured in Iraq was treated properly and in accodance with the rule of war. You might want to read it! Also the Oath says that I WILL OBAY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. As for guantonimo bay, I hope they end up at your house's, mabe then you will understand what really is going on in the world. You all need to know what your talking about before you open your mouths. Do some research and know what your talking about before you say stupid ignorant things and stay out of things you know nothing about. So far i'm not impressed with anyone associated with the ACLU and your facts are full of holes and hear-say.
for what I see in the statements by generals, almost all american constitutional rights are being routinely violated, what makes ACLU an organization to disinform and make believe you are doing something, to otherwise support the violation of american rights.
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