Because freedom can't protect itself
A license often becomes an arbitrary control by government that makes a crime out of what ordinarily would not be a crime. It turns a right into a privilege.
The excuse goes like this... "no eyeballs saw the plates, so WE are not violating the citizens privacy! ...computers are simply recording and indexing in case we ever get suspicious, they we'll get a warrant. ...err, well we already have a blanket warrant for anything we think is suspicious, but believe us, WE would never flaunt that power! ...err, the way the IRS and Justice Departments have recently done, through low level agents, by mistake, just assuming the upper levels approved, but of course we NEVER would approve of anything, unless it was suspicious, or we thought it was suspicious, so don't waste our time questioning our authority, because we've thought this trough and we should be able to get away with it! ...err, just be quite, please."
There is no reason to have this sort of pervasive surveillance of innocent people and I see it as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
But, what else is new...
Obviously giving these guys too much money, time to trim budgets.
Well you know, back in the 90's when they started registering sex offenders and how everyone thought that was so wonderful ? Apparently what happens is...see...if you give an inch, they take a mile. They start out with people you don'[t like then just move on to everyone else. And the people that know about such things told you then registering sex offenders or anyone else would do nothing to keep you safer but you bit on it anyway because...it's sex offenders, right ? Who cares about sex offenders. Well, now it's your ass in the sling. Every man woman and child. Not looking like such a bright idea now is it ? Hmmm....
This should NOT be tolerated. I assure you that the data will be used to your detriment, but if you tried to obtain data to prove innocence, you will get blank stares.
Hmm. Interesting, I have a sister who is younger than I that dates a cop (DHS) and couldn't figure out why I kept getting pulled over. Everywhere I go. She and I do not get along, I have tried to but it never works. I understand that her cop boyfriend is married. Go figure.
Congratulations ACLU, you wanted and voted for a big "caring" government and this is what you get. Don't act so surprised now.
That's why I live in Canada. We don't have money for surveillance, we give it all to Quebec and to our native Indians so they don' t have to work. Something similar to what you Americans do with your Negroes.
Nice world we have now eh? We owe it all to fifty years of Liberal left takeover of everything .... it all happened while WE were at work.
This is only one method. The Surveillance State is much, much more invasive than many believe possible: https://guardamerican.com/index.php/blog/38-protect/896-surveillance-usa-android-back-door
Where's my Opt-Out? There isn't one.
"I was only following orders."
Backlash is a Mother...
This state of affairs cannot last nor can it end well.
More actions of the Gestapo regime! Can you say police state?
What this country needs is a government issued ID card, to be used for all transactions such as: Voting, applying for food stamps, Well fare, income tax, etc. etc. etc.
Not saying that the above will be eliminated, but replication would be.
The government is waiting $Billions of $$$$ every year, with fraud
The Feds need to link up to Facebook, where people volunteer their info for free.
Fishkill, NY is an awesome historical town in the Hudson Valley that reads the Declaration of Independence on the Steps of the Village Hall every July 4th for the last 113 years. They also retain license plate reads for 90 days. SIGH. Seems very contradictory to me.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law
what does soldier,
what does quartered,
what does in any house,
what does without consent,
what does owner,
what does in time of war,
what does in a manner prescribed by law mean?
why doesn't it just say
"we can do whatever we want, kiss my a$%?"
What's missing from this article is what citizens can do about this. Can you buy license plate covers that work on cameras? Is that legal in all states? Lets have some action.
ACLU - I hold you as one of the responsible parties for this 'Big-Brother' outrage! Since the ACLU's founding, you have systematically set out to undermine the US Constitution and our Constitutional Republic.
After almost 100 years - it looks like you have finally won us a police state.
Now wait just a minute. If we the people make up the government and are the government and they are doing this to us then we have just as much of a right to track them and have databases of our own. Perhaps even stick a GPS unit on each and every police car in our respective cities or towns or outlying areas. Maybe we even have the right to put radio frequency id's on their person so we can monitor what they buy or sell? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.... right? Look, whatever they do sets precedence that allows us to do the same. The only difference is that if we out here want to do it we have to pay for the devices and the tracking software. Well wait, we pay for theirs too? Hmmmm...
In England they have these cameras on the road with a cop waiting up the street, it scans your license and if you registration is late, have unpaid tickets, insurence lapped they will pull you over. Won't be long before this system gets abused like how the patriot act has become an excuse to violtate privacy of ordinary Americans. It is evil and portrayed it being for the of the country when in reality it is another way to enslave us.
Florida does more than this. A few years ago on the toll roads, they installed readers every few miles that read the toll both transponders. So as you go along the expressways and toll roads, the system knows where you are, and could also tell the cops how fast you are going (how long does it take to get from one to the other.) They have not issues tickets for this, but when this was installed there was an equipment shack put in at a state trooper station on the Suncoast Parkway, north of Tampa. It's very possible and likely that they system can tell them where people are speeding at, so they know where to set up speed traps.
As Orwell wrote, "Asleep or awake, working or eating, indoors or out of doors, in the bath or in bed -- no escape. Nothing was your own except the few cubic centimeters inside your skull."
Well ACLU, are you going to do anything or just sit back, and pick and choose your fights as you see fit? You are liberal after all. Will you fight for all of us or those who donate?
Once it starts catching police officers in their personal vehicles on their way to the strip clubs and golf courses on days they called out sick, or to the houses of the people they have having an affair with, and it's all released as public info, then maybe they will give a $***
Your tax dollars are watching you.
I live near Lexington, KY which recently started a program for the "Parking Police" to scan all the license tags of the parked cars to search for "Parking Offenders". I seem to recall a few years ago getting new eyeglasses which included some "shades" that clipped onto the glasses. These 'shades' turned out to be polarized lenses and when I stopped at my favorite gas station, I could NOT read the gas pumps with the 'shades' clipped on. Only if I tilted my head about 90 degrees to the side could I actually read what was on the gas pumps. NEW THOUGHT, Could there be a double layer of "Polarized" license plate covers that are cross polarized that would block any camera from viewing from a side angle but might be viewed if seen at a straight-on view. If it can be made so that a computer camera cannot see the license tag from any angle (other than straight-on), what cannot be seen therefore becomes invisible. Now I am inviting comments to see if we can find a way to BLIND the all-seeing EYE of the Big Brother.
I am so appreciative that the ACLU has taken up this issue. I have been wondering lately at the amazing number of cameras that have sprung up everywhere, seemingly overnight. They are on the interstate highways, overpasses, intersections and even in seemingly random locations. This must be very expensive to deploy, maintain and monitor, not to mention how the data will be used, and yet there seems to have been no public dialog about it whatsoever. Thank you ACLU.
Glad I'm not a North American living in the USA.
Freedom, Democracy, Justice? ..... yeah, right!
But I'm sure Fox News tells them that its okay
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER,
There is a glaring hole in this report that affects millions of people a year...the Texas toll road system. Aside from the tag readers, there are also license plate readers to support their pay by mail feature. Who knows where that database gets shared.
What happened to probable cause?
Face it people.The days of old are gone.So are most all of your rights.The constitution means what they say it means.Local police make their own laws as they go...blah blah blah.The problem is......it is too late to do anything about it.Welcome to the beginnings of the new world order.There is NOTHING you can do.Accept it,live with it.Harsh words for sure....but true.
The repossession industry has embraced this technology as well.
They push and push until everyone just gives their rights up. It seems to already be working.. Note the comment:
"There is no reason to have this sort of pervasive surveillance of i nnocent people and I see it as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
But, what else is new... "
The last line of this comment is exactly proof that the gov't is succeeding in influencing the general population of the US into thinking this is okay to do. The line I'm referring to is the 'But, what else is new'. This needs to stop, and cuts need to be done since our tax money is going to the government so in-turn they can track us.
I feel that I've been included in the license plate tracking.June of 1998,Ihad taken a student home at the quest of his mother.they lived in the projects.On my way back to work,in my rush Idrove on a street going thr wrong way for half a block.When I realized what I had done I corrected my mistake.Seconds later I saw the police following me back to work.Never did the stop me! They have been coming to my home undercover claim the're selling products,home improvements,asking surveying questions and in a meat truck several times.When driving in other counties,they also follow me.What can be done about this?
I can't believe it's taken the ACLU this long to jump on this topic. I went to visit Mount Rushmore two summers ago and had my plate scanned as I entered the parking area. At the toll booth, after paying, I was given back a receipt with all my personnnel information printed on it. I asked the booth attendent how he got this info and he responed "by a licence plate scanner". The parking lot is run by a private contractor so it's not just the government scanning plates. By the way, the attendent told me my plate had been scanned four times that day already. What an amazing technology!
This is much ado about nothing. These scanners read thousands of plates per day. Most departments mount them on the cruisers of their top traffic officers. As the article stated they flag certain offender plates (amber alerts/warrants/suspensions). The flagged plates cause the computer to beep. The officer clicks the icon to see the information regarding that plate. The flagged plate is actually the only ones that officer's computer shows. The record of all plates scanned may be somewhere in the cruiser's computer, but police departments do not have the NSA's budget. No one is looking at this information. It does not go to a central database. They are not being intexed. To the comment about driving being a right, courts have held that driving is a privilege not a right.
Plates, and drivers licenses too, are nothing more than badges of our slavery. The day will come when we dispense with the damn things.
By the way, the "plate data retention period" is always indefinite, no matter what the statute says. It's naive to think otherwise, as there is never any penalty for violating such statutes. The laws are for the peons, not the ruling class.
I appreciate all the hand-wringing and concern, and I certainly agree that this is a cause for concern - not something our founding fathers anticipated.
At the same time, I worked for NSA with a very high security clearance myself for several years. I saw things done that were legally questionable even under older laws. I contemplated this very issue -- inside a highly classified facility -- before most of the readers of this site were even born, and before high technology things like digital wristwatches and hand calculators.
While I applaud the noble effort for freedom, you ain't gonna stop it. No way in hell. The formula is (massive government budget) + (some real justification for some of it) + (universal knowledge of just about everything through computers) + (no way in hell you will ever get in to a classified facility to see what is going on before they hit the Delete button, anyway).
Besides, Wal-Mart and other big companies are already tracking you like lab rats, anyway, so what are you worried about? Anyone who wants to can track all your movements right now, on a budget that even an ordinary citizen can afford.
Privacy is a myth in the age of high tech. The only reason you have any privacy at all is because your life is simply too boring for anybody to bother to watch you.
First it was the cameras on the traffic signals, then it was the drones, the NSA and the license plate readers. This surveillance sure feels like a precursor to complete government control. But what do I know? I keep hearing the echo of some author droning on and on about something that happened in 1984. And then they came for me.
The guy that says they aren't doing anything with the information is DEAD wrong. Better clean out your ears. I can tell you CHP is tracking you and all your movements. Please say how crazy I am. What I do know is this! We have two homes, one in CA and one in AZ. One of our vehicles is lic in Az. We go back and forth. I got a letter in the mail that my Az lic plate had " too many hits." Im required to have a CA drivers lic due to my job. My wife has Az lic, insurance ,etc. I was told I'm not allowed to drive that vehicle when it's in CA. Also they require I register anything I own to CA because I'm employed in the state. More to the story but that is a very shortened version. Guess what? 1984 is here...
or you can simply remove your plates. Even though "Driving a Motor Vehicle" is in fact a privilege, you also have the fundamental Right to travel freely in your own automobile on any public roadway providing you are not doing it for commerce - which can, and is regulated by States. Driving by legal definition is operating a vehicle for profit, and motor vehicle, by legal term is a truck, bus, auto, etc, used in the commission of commerce. Learn the law, use United States Code for true legal definitions (not Websters or wikipedia). Never mis-state the law. It is not a constitutional right to travel freely on any public road in any automobile, it is however a fundamental right, which is an absolute right. No State, County, or City has any authority whatsoever to prohibit, permit, deny, restrict, or force any American citizen to license, register, insure, any automobile for use on any public road. As long as you are "travelling" to the store in your "personal automobile" and Not "Driving" in your "Motor Vehicle". Learn your Rights people. Learn the Law, google Right to travel, just stick some souvenier store plates on your car, if & when you get pulled over speak the word of law, have downloaded copies of caselaw in your possession.
They take your freedom and sell it back to you in the form of licenses and permits.
When you say you have no problem with using them for finding people with warrants on them you aren't thinking far enough. You have already accepted the validity of forcing people to run around yelling out loud who they are. Think harder on this. It's forced self incrimination. It's the same as a law that says if you committed a crime you have to turn yourself in and if you don't you have committed the crime of avoiding/hampering justice. Liberties err on the side of everybody can do whatever they want. One does not uphold Liberty by erring on the side of "I guess being forced to do something isn't that bad". I continue to be unimpressed with the ACLU.
Isn't it against our constitutional rights "right to privacy" to have our identity look at unless we are committing a crime? I don't think automatic reader's should be allowed, I also believe the Police need to give a reason every time a plate is ran. Before it will allow them get the our information e.g. was speeding "A Crime" so its on record why they ran it.
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