This is the podcast cover art. It is a yellow square image with a photo and text on it. In the middle, It features an image of ACLU attorney Lee Gelernt in grayscale. Lee is a white man with short gray hair wearing a black polo shirt. The upper left of the image says "Let the Record Show." The bottom right of the image says "J.G.G. v. Trump." The bottom left of the image has the ACLU logo.

What Happens When the President Defies a Judge?

September 23, 2026

On March 15, 2025, the Trump administration deported more than 100 people to a notoriously brutal prison in El Salvador — in defiance of a federal judge’s orders. They hadn’t been found guilty of being gang members. They never got their day in court. That blatant disregard for due process should concern us all.

This week, on our premiere episode, Shereen and Matt are exploring J.G.G. v. Trump and the related lawsuits that emerged from that fateful day in March. They’re some of the most important cases making their way through the courts today: referenda on the current state of executive overreach, due process, and judicial review. In this episode we’ll be speaking with the ACLU immigration expert Lee Gelernt to investigate what this case means for our civil liberties and how we can fight back.

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